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Christine
    06/29/09 at 07:56 AMReply with quote#1

Chelsea Piers, a health club and recreation center at the edge of the Hudson River in New York, has been trapping pigeons for at least a year and a half in cages with one-way trap doors.  The traps are boxes about three feet long and are on fire escape stairways.  This is illegal, according to the NYC fire code. It is not determined what the Piers do with the trapped pigeons.  The traps, provided by a New Jersey-based pest-control service, ensnare the birds in a wood-and-wire cage to prevent them from massing freely on fire escapes. The company then collects the birds and claims to release them back into the wild. Although the Health Department issued permit does allow the birds to be euthanized humanely,  it is heard that the pigeons are gassed or have their necks broken in the extermination process.

 

Erica Shietinger, V.P. of Corporate Communications at Chelsea Piers, said they had previously tried humane methods which had failed.   An alternative simple and inexpensive device made of plastic or wire, as well as sloping surfaces, are an effective way to keep pigeons off buildings and they don't kill.  Droppings still remaining can be hosed off. Killing or removing pigeons does not work since others simply take their places.  It's the same with all wildlife.  Shietinger claimed disease as her reason for trapping pigeons, however,  according to the NYC Health Dept. pigeons do not get or transmit bird flu or West Nile virus, and they do not transmit disease to humans  any more than other kinds of birdsIf these were any other kind of birds, Chelsea Piers would think twice about trying to rid itself of them.  Removing pigeons from buildings is up to the owner and is legal, but there is a kinder way than trapping them.

 

Please contact the following and ask them to use sloping surfaces or plastic/wire devices instead, instead of traps from which there is no escape.

 

Dana B. Thayer - Senior Vice President, Director of Marketing & Sponsorship
dbt@chelseapiers.com
Mike Braito - Senior Vice President, Chelsea Piers General Manager
braitm@chelseapiers.com
Keith C. Champagne - Senior Vice President
champk@chelseapiers.com
Stuart Sheinbaum - Vice President, Director of Communications
sheins@chelseapiers.com
Erica Schietinger - Vice President, Corporate Communications
schiee@chelseapiers.com


Chelsea Piers

Roland W. Betts, Chairman
Tom A. Bernstein, President
David A. Tewksbury, Executive Vice President

212-336-6800
Fax 212-336-6808
Pier 62
23rd St. & Hudson River
New York, NY, 10011


Fire Department:

Ask them to remove the cages which obstruct fire escapes.  

Use this online form to send a message to Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scopetta:
http://home2.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mailfdny.html



 

Diane and Syd Marcus, G.G
    06/29/09 at 10:43 AMReply with quote#2

We have contacted everyone. Thanks for caring, Christine.
Lois
    06/30/09 at 07:37 AMReply with quote#3

Did anyone call 911 to report the fire violation?

Sue
    07/01/09 at 04:17 AMReply with quote#4

I am curious about the "plastic or wire devices."   About 2 years ago, one of our local Vons markets put clear plastic spikes on top of their roof to discourage pigeons from roosting there.  It appeared to me that the spikes could impale the birds if they tried to land and could not see the clear plastic spikes pointing up, so I wrote a letter to Vons about it and told them I was not going to shop there anymore (and I haven't).  However, I went back to check at a later date, and saw two pigeons somehow roosted atop the spikes without being impaled.  Are the spikes intended to be injurious, or was I misinterpreting?


Donald Jenner
    07/01/09 at 07:15 AMReply with quote#5

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lois

Did anyone call 911 to report the fire violation?



I think it would be 311, and the city would still do nothing.
Alexis Gray
    07/01/09 at 07:48 AMReply with quote#6

The spikes are there to deter the birds but pigeons can be very stubborn, once they find a place they like, they stay...

Crowblog
    07/01/09 at 12:40 PMReply with quote#7

Hello - as a rehabilitator faced with pigeons "where they shouldn't be" - I recommend stretching "Slinkys" across doorways, ledges, etc. Pigeons, sparrows, etc can't land there, yet no spikes or entangling. Crowblog ~~ Small Wild Bird Clinic of Aberdeen

Shelley
    07/02/09 at 12:16 AMReply with quote#8

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexis Gray

The spikes are there to deter the birds but pigeons can be very stubborn, once they find a place they like, they stay...

http://antiroostingspikes.blogspot.com/2009/06/pigeon-control-solutions.html
Karen
    07/02/09 at 10:57 AMReply with quote#9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sue

I am curious about the "plastic or wire devices."   About 2 years ago, one of our local Vons markets put clear plastic spikes on top of their roof to discourage pigeons from roosting there.  It appeared to me that the spikes could impale the birds if they tried to land and could not see the clear plastic spikes pointing up, so I wrote a letter to Vons about it and told them I was not going to shop there anymore (and I haven't).  However, I went back to check at a later date, and saw two pigeons somehow roosted atop the spikes without being impaled.  Are the spikes intended to be injurious, or was I misinterpreting?


It was a nasty thing for Vons to do, but the birds are in trees with limbs everywhere, they are far more clever then the people at Vons and will make do. I have never seen a bird hurt even from brabed wire. Their instincts are profound and they will make nests in and on the spikes and find a way to make cleaning up the droppings that Vons was trying to deter much harder for them to clean up.. Von's Karma don't you think???? 
 
Loraine
    07/02/09 at 09:51 PMReply with quote#10

Hi Christine,
   I also highly recommend that you give this information to PETA and HSUS (they will decide who will handle it). I have worked with both organizations on pigeon issues and they really act swiftly in cases such as this.  Their phones calls to the company and possible threats of publicity will make this company stop this practice.
  Loraine

sm
    07/04/09 at 09:18 AMReply with quote#11

According to the info given here, it says the plastic spikes don't kill (or injure?) the birds, but I thought they would, because I didn't think the birds could see them pointing straight up like that, and they are clear plastic.

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