| luciedove |
| | 01/23/09 at 02:26 PM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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With the economy in dire straits, the Tampa Bay SPCA is seeing an increase in exotic birds being surrendered because people are having to relocate to a smaller living situation and/or can’t afford their bird any longer. Last month alone, an estimated 15 parrots were turned over to the SPCA, who then turns to specific bird rescue groups for help in housing these birds. Also on the rise is the use of anti-psychotic drugs to stop birds from behavioral problems such as feather plucking or extreme vocalization. So what is the problem? People lack knowledge about birds before buying one. Birds are wild animals, and when housed in tiny cages for long periods of time, are no better off than a dog in a puppy mill. Sure we feed them, say we love them, and let them out of their cage when we can, but is it enough? The answer, is no. Most parrots do live for a very long time, up to 60+ years in captivity for the larger species. Birds do not belong in a cage for the majority of their life, if at all. Being a cage-bound animal often leads to behavioral problems such as excessive vocalizing, feather plucking, and aggression. And instead of focusing on the root of their problems, people are turning their veterinarians for drugs that will subdue their wild animal’s instincts. And as Matt Smith, bird rescuer who operates ‘Project Perry, Inc.’ in Virginia was quoted saying: “What would be best for parrots is if they never became pets.”
So now comes the other problem: Where do these exotic birds come from? You may be surprised to know that most exotic birds come from Bird Mills and have the same set up as puppy mills: rows and rows of wire cages, poor nutrition, lack of any stimulation and enrichment, and birds are forced to breed over and over like machines. Just as bad as puppy mills, but since people are accustomed to seeing birds in cages, many people turn a blind eye to the situation. So, yes, that bird you bought at the pet store-probably came from a bird mill. According to HSUS, when wild-caught animals are kept as pets, their suffering may begin with capture—every year millions of birds and reptiles suffer and die on the journey to the pet store. Even after purchase, their lives are likely to be filled with misery. If they survive, they may languish in a cramped backyard cage or circle endlessly in a cat carrier or aquarium. More commonly, they become sick or die because their owners are unable to care for them properly. And not only that, the global wild pet trade continues to threaten the existence of some species in their native habitats. I encourage everyone to look at this website, and watch the video’s on bird mills. Just as word is spreading about the horrors of puppy mills, we can get word out about other types of Pet Mills and put a stop to them as well. Read my next article to see what you can do to stop Pet Mills.
Bird Mills Exposed-Part 1 Bird Mills Exposed-Part 2 |
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| Amanda |
| | 01/23/09 at 05:46 PM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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I am sure this is quite true. Just as I am sure many more birds are well cared for, not even caged, born to private owners or breeders and very loved.
There are children treated worse than some pets we consider abused. There are battered spouses afraid to even run for their lives. There is abuse everywhere, there are people unprepared and unstable in regards to their own lives and don't know any way to get help and change their horrifying behavior.
This is not an easy world to live in, and things like this make it harder.
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| Cate |
| | 01/23/09 at 05:59 PM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by AmandaI am sure this is quite true. Just as I am sure many more birds are well cared for, not even caged, born to private owners or breeders and very loved.
There are children treated worse than some pets we consider abused. There are battered spouses afraid to even run for their lives. There is abuse everywhere, there are people unprepared and unstable in regards to their own lives and don't know any way to get help and change their horrifying behavior.
This is not an easy world to live in, and things like this make it harder.
So I am not sure what your point is. Are you pointing out that our world as we know is going to hell in a handbasket and "oh well." Or do we acknowledge the travesties, whether it be human or animal and try to make changes. I am up for making changes. |
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| Kevin |
| | 01/23/09 at 06:26 PM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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I think Amanda's point is that yes, some of these things do exist but there is also another side to the story which is conveniently left out. Most bird breeders I know and most birds I know came from very small breeders who take outstanding care of the animals they have. If they did not they would not be around to sell their next bird.
Since you are so interested in making changes, Cate, why not start with telling the truth, which would mean talking about both sides of the story. You seem to think (I have read some of your other posts) that this is all a one sided story and that everyone is wrong except for you.
What are your credentials for being a knowledgeable individual about animals in general and pets and birds in particular. Just what are the credentials of this person who wrote this article? Where were the photos and videos taken? When were they taken?
How about a little disclosure here before you are so willing to take people to the pillory?
Oh, and do try to answer the questions instead of attacking me and changing the subject? |
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| Noelle |
| | 01/23/09 at 06:36 PM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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I must say this is very true - unfortunately. I visited the Last Chance bird facility in Florida a couple years ago and it was just mind-numbing how many baby parrots they had in buckets Everywhere! Hundreds!! The buckets were clean and all labeled but the babies were incubated and syringe-fed with No interaction , to be sold to the retail market en masse. The pairs of birds were at least outside -- where they had suspended rows and rows of aviaries - Far better than in places where people will breed them in basements and garages in cages . Last Chance has a Lot of the parrots from ABRC who were so famous for selling even the most rare of species to people over the internet that had No Knowledge whatsoever about birds. I've met more than one person who had purchased Blue-throated macaws from ABRC online - shipped to whoever had the money  Now - unlike the puppy/cat mills, the parrots were Very healthy looking with no overcrowding - (only because parrots won't breed if they're sick or crowded I'm sure) but I went up and down every part of the place and saw interactive pairs bathing in the rain, in excellent feather and loving being outside. As with most species, it's always a Bummer to be small -- they, of course, are caught up in the same "Small Bird Small Cage" syndrome that is so pervasive throughout the industry (and makes me crazy on a daily basis) , so the smaller species were housed in smaller suspended aviaries under a roof, but at least still outside. I really don't know Where all these parrots would go from there if these places like Last Chance and Kaytee were shut down - they have Hundreds of parrots that are wild - unable to be kept by anyone - the zoo's are full and these animals are stuck here in captivity. The only thing I can think of is for us to lead by example in raising our Own standards of how we manage our own parrots, so that when new people are out there legally buying parrots that are legal to sell - they have an exciting expectation of themselves. I try to show how easy it can be to expand the possibilities of giving these animals enjoyable lives with us. In our club we try to challenge each other in our care-taking and we're proud of our housing and nutritious feeding. When people visit my house, I want them to see me as the "Low Bar" when moving forward with their own choices. When we enjoy our animals it is obvious in everything we do from large housing to comfortable sleeping quarters and our care is reflected in the happy, healthy parrots that live a life full of variety - hopefully that is contagious!! Noelle in AZ |
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| Cate |
| | 01/23/09 at 07:02 PM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by KevinI think Amanda's point is that yes, some of these things do exist but there is also another side to the story which is conveniently left out. Most bird breeders I know and most birds I know came from very small breeders who take outstanding care of the animals they have. If they did not they would not be around to sell their next bird. Since you are so interested in making changes, Cate, why not start with telling the truth, which would mean talking about both sides of the story. You seem to think (I have read some of your other posts) that this is all a one sided story and that everyone is wrong except for you. What are your credentials for being a knowledgeable individual about animals in general and pets and birds in particular. Just what are the credentials of this person who wrote this article? Where were the photos and videos taken? When were they taken? How about a little disclosure here before you are so willing to take people to the pillory? Oh, and do try to answer the questions instead of attacking me and changing the subject? Kevin, I have no intentions of attacking you or changing the subject. Your questions are legitimate. As for Amanda's remarks, I was not clear where she was going with her thoughts and just made reference to that. If that offends you. Sorry! I have been involved with MAP certified breeding facilities and have seen the bird mill operations. I did not form any opinions until I was able to look at both sides and see the vast difference in the humane handling of breeder birds and the offspring. Sir, it is day and night. As I am sure you are aware considering you are involved with breeders. Yes there are two sides to every story and then the truth and having subjected myself to seeing both sides feel that I am entitled to speak of what I have seen. Whether you agree or not. Have you walked a bird mill or is your only exposure the small breeders who are usually humane? It really does matter whether you believe these pictures or not. I did not post them so as far as credibility you would have to ask luciedove. Keep in mind that I do have a bird mill in my state and that is a FACT. Changes are necessary, whether it not be convienent for you to believe that. As far as my creditials I am a Certified Avian Specialist. I have also taken several courses with Susan Friedman and Barbara Heidenreich. Have read and researched Steve Martin's and Pam Clark's positions on Parrots and having them as pets. Presently back in school to become an vet tech, specializing in avian care. Now how about you, Kevin? I answered your questions. What are your creditials, considering you have already dismissed anything I have had to say. |
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| Diane |
| | 01/23/09 at 10:37 PM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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OK, I usually don't get involvel with this sort of thing as I am far to busy! My husband and I run a bird rescue. (moderator deleted link: sorry, we do not support the pet industry) If you only knew how so many of these intelligent creatures suffer, you may have different opinions. First, let me say that I have pet birds of my own. I can't imagine life without them. But you should know that I have placed some of my OWN pet birds to better homes. I know I will turn some folks off when I say " God created them to fly free".. Unfortunately, we have bred them and put them in cages and the captive birds could not survive in the wild. Thus, there is a NEED for rescue and/or sanctuary. These birds could NEVER survive in the wild. The only way they recognize food is in a cup. We have done them a grave injustice! If you consider the life span of an exotic bird, you realize they are a LIFETIME commitment! It is too easy to aquire a bird. We need legislation requiring EDUCATION prior to purchase... We are so full now,as is every rescue I know, I could go on and on... We actually have a waiting list for birds to be surrendered. The key is EDUCATION!!!!! I'm so sick of hearing how much a bird is LOVED but, circumstances make it impossible to keep a bird. Would people surrender a CHILD so easily? If folks were educated they would know that cockatoos, for instance, have the intellegence of a 5 to 7 year old child. They can have temper tantrums like a 2 year old and can live for 80 years....EDUCATION is the answer. They should know these facts BEFORE purchasing a bird. We need legislature to enforce this. |
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| B. G. |
| | 01/23/09 at 11:11 PM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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I couldn't have said it better myself Diane. Education is key. The problem is that nobody wants to learn. |
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| Anntelope |
| | 01/24/09 at 02:47 AM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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Dear Kevin - I think you don't realize what it is we're trying to do here at this forum. We're not interested in telling about the good breeders and how many birds are pampered. We're here to try to help the ones which aren't.
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| IC |
| | 01/24/09 at 04:20 AM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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yes diane--and it goes back to what I wrote several times on other recent threads concerning pets in petstores. To educate so you do not get the whimsical purchse. And in order to insure the person has been educated, they are given reading material so they can then take a test to get a license to purchase and own the pet. The license generates revenue which politicians and state goverment likes and can be allocated back to help support animal rescue facilities. It also slows the flow of purchases, meaning less business for pet stores, meaning less breeding because the petstores aren't selling as many--a very beneficial domino effect. Many want to approach by targetting the display of animals. I still hold firm--go after the potential pet owners and the display issue will be a side benefit. Like in bowling, you aim for strategic pins to knock them all down. and I am getting writers cramp trying to make the point--go after the issues which make sense to and make money for the politicians so it has a better chance of being LAW. Going after petstores for selling and breeders for breeding is attacking FREE ENTERPRISE---big mistake as you attack the american way and bring upon yourself a losing battle plus lose credibility -- as I past stated--you will be known as a splinter in the butt of society.
Educate---yes. How? Require everyone to watch animal planet? Drop pamphlets from a plane avoiding bird strikes? Billboards? Should we stand in front of a petstore and stop people before they go in and give them a quick briefing? So yes, educate--a good solution--please answer how to achieve. My opinion--again--get laws to require licensing for ownership--I am begining to say it in my sleep. My birds are begining to say it too!!!!!!!
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| Ginger |
| | 01/24/09 at 04:39 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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"Bird Mills": yes they DO exist! My friends across America have been fighting to get one particular house of horrors in Roy Washington closed. Scudders aviary in Pierce County in the State of Washington has an estimated 800 parrots from little lovebirds to the giant Hyacinthine macaws, and everything inbetween. This place has been cited over and over and over yet because there are other bird (pigeon) breeders who are fighting against new legislation because it would affect their businesses. It has been affirmed by veterinarians that there is Pacheco's disease, and a couple others I cant remember just now... But its an ongoing problem... And this is just one we KNOW about. Kaytee, PrettyBird and other parrot feed producers all maintain aviaries that produce birds... While they seem to produce and maintain high standards for health & nutrition, they STILL crank out thousands of baby birds that wind up for sale all around the world. Because of the economic collapse, job loss, cut-backs... It is true parrots are losing their families as the people who have them find they have to sell them just to pay everyday bills. I've been in bird/parrot rescue 18 years and in just one month I took in 3 large birds because their owners had to pay their bills... *yes I did buy them as I knew it was breaking their families' heart to part with them, AND they had to have money... All the birds are females. I limit my rescuing to females because they are harder to come by and breeders prey on people who have tame and friendly birds for sale so they can capitolize on their plight... I can't do nearly enough to save all of them; I have limited resources, and paying a good price just to keep one or two females out of the hands of a breeder is not easy on my own finances. My birds are all vetted, I cook for them every evening, they are free from their cages all day long, every day... I spend hundreds of dollars on organic foods, toy parts, toys, bird related expenses... If it were not for people like myself these birds would just bounce from home to home and sadly, the VAST MAJORITY of bird wannabe owners are simply not prepared for living with a bird, no matter WHAT size it is. I've seen horrible conditions in a diamond dove producers aviary... Abuse/neglect happens with all birds. It is on all of us to provide our level best for our pet birds, sometimes that means giving it to someone who can (and WILL) provide a better life for it. Its not about US, its about the BIRDS. Ginger in Fla |
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| Linda Beane |
| | 01/24/09 at 07:32 PM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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I would like to comment on this subject of exotic birds in captivity, I need an answer. My friend has a wild bird,I am not sure of it's breed because it has pulled all it's feathers out. It is completely bald. I don't believe wild, exotic birds should be companions of humans. It is a mistake to take them from their natural environment and life to which they are quite happily adapted. That being said I know there many people that enjoy their birds and do love and even spoil them. I have seen loving bonds between birds and humans so I am not making a judgement. What I would like to know is why a bird would pull a bird pull all of it's feathers out?? Is this bird having a nervous breakdown?? I feel so sorry for it but my friend loves her bird and though she spends little time with it(it is in a room alone) any attempts of mine to suggest the bird is unhappy outrage and insult her. Anyone have any ideas here??
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| | 01/24/09 at 11:40 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Linda Beane I would like to comment on this subject of exotic birds in captivity, I need an answer. My friend has a wild bird,I am not sure of it's breed because it has pulled all it's feathers out. It is completely bald. I don't believe wild, exotic birds should be companions of humans. It is a mistake to take them from their natural environment and life to which they are quite happily adapted. That being said I know there many people that enjoy their birds and do love and even spoil them. I have seen loving bonds between birds and humans so I am not making a judgement. What I would like to know is why a bird would pull a bird pull all of it's feathers out?? Is this bird having a nervous breakdown?? I feel so sorry for it but my friend loves her bird and though she spends little time with it(it is in a room alone) any attempts of mine to suggest the bird is unhappy outrage and insult her. Anyone have any ideas here??
It's called Feather Destructive Behavior or plucking. It can be ill. A physical infection but more likely it's having a nervous breakdown, yes. Birds do not belong in captivity let alone by themselves they are FLOCK creatures ALWAYS found in LARGE GROUPS. Birds are UNDOMESTICATED not like dogs or cats. They are WILD animals in their DNA.
You friend does not love her bird. She's just stubborn and mean. Dump her she is not worth your friendship and you will NOT be able to guilt her into anything, obviously. If she cared she would be having the bird treated by a vet and take the proper measures, even though frequently once plucking starts you can't reverse it.
RUN AWAY, they whole thing is too depressing for any normal person with a heart.
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| Lisa |
| | 01/26/09 at 02:17 PM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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I'm confused. In Diane's first post, she identified herself as a rescuer, yet the link to her site was deleted because she's a breeder? What's going on? |
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