| Missi |
| | 07/14/08 at 03:42 PM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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You can read about the 31 macaws that were discovered in Virginia in horrible conditions under the Captive Birds section here: http://forums.manhattanbirdclub.com/tool/post/luciedove/vpost?id=2713402
THE GABRIEL FOUNDATION IS SENDING THESE BIRDS TO A HORRIBLE BREEDER IN FLORIDA WHO ADVERTISES ALL OVER THE INERNET FOR MORE BREEDING BIRDS AND MAKES A "REPORTED" PROFIT OF $120,000.00 A YEAR. THIS IS A TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION OF WHAT TGF IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.
Julie Muriad claims to rescue birds and then sends them to Florida to become working birds??? What is even more ironic is that the owner of this breeding facility JUST HAPPENS to be on the Board of Directors of TGF. Seems there's a little bit of a deal going on here. Send me birds for breeding and I'll send you a portion of the profits I make on breeding them. is tht what the deal is?
The Gabriel Foundation and Julia Muriad: A FARCE!
I will be withdrawing my support of this foundation and hope others follow in my quest to halt donations to this so-called rescue facility. WHAT A JOKE! |
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| Sue |
| | 07/15/08 at 06:13 AM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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More on the Gabriel Foundation here.
A sanctuary is a place where birds or animals can come to live and be protected and cared for the rest of their lives. It’s a safe haven, where they receive the very best care possible.
Birds or animals at the sanctuary are not bought, sold, traded, mistreated or exploited in any way. They are given every opportunity to behave naturally in a wonderfully loving environment. A bird's best interest should always be the goal of the sanctuary, and the sanctuary should not profit from or use the bird or animal for their own means and purpose. If your bird ends up at a sanctuary, isn't this what you would hope for and expect, for someone who means so much to you -- peace of mind knowing your bird will remain in the sanctuary with a flock of birds for the rest of his life and be well cared for. |
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| Laurella Desborough |
| | 07/15/08 at 04:32 PM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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The birds that are received by the Gabriel Foundation are vetted and are studied to see what is best for each individual birds. Some are adopted out if that is the best for the bird. Some stay in permanent sanctuary if they are not interested in human interaction. Birds under the Gabriel Foundation care are not bred.
Birds going to any Gabriel Foundation associated facility are NOT bred.
Just because a facility MAY have other birds in breeding set ups does NOT mean that the sanctuary birds are placed into breeding.
It should be especially noted that these macaws were EX breeding birds, not birds set up for breeding.
It doesn't make any sense to attack the Gabriel Foundation when they are doing a positive service regarding these birds, which will receive PROPER care at a facility where there are KNOWLEDGEABLE avian managers.
Isn't that the best possible outcome for these birds...going to an appropriate facility where they will get wonderful care by knowledgeable caregivers? What serious bird lover could ask for a better situation for these birds?
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| Tony |
| | 07/15/08 at 05:22 PM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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Aren't these birds ultimately going right back to the very people Animal Control took them from anyways?
If everything is on the "up and up" in the facility in FL, surely there are pictures of how they "properly keep and care for" their 1,000 birds or so? Let's see those...
You say that certification is important. The breeding facility in FL these birds are going to isn't even "MAP" certified.
You expect everyone to just believe what you say, Laurella? Sounds alot like breeder sticking up for breeder - all for one, right?
And this "dog and cat vet" - everyone knows that there are many fine vets that see and care for birds who may not be avian certified for one reason or another - has nothing to do with their care provided. If you know so much about the vet in this case, please post her full resume. I challenge you to stand by your accusations.
You'd be dangerous if you knew what you were talking about.
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| Anon7 |
| | 07/16/08 at 09:03 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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Tony, you are SO right!! Laurella is a breeder and fully supports the breeding industry 100%. She also views animals as property and is against any kind of legislation that may benefit the animals. She is the worst of the worst, but luckily no one really pays attention to her anyway and people know better now.
As for the Gabriel Foundation, they actually give out grants to "responsible" breeders. It's quite disgusting. They get so much attention and praise but people have no idea that they are actually part of the problem. They are a business- a big business and in the worst possible way because they are sneaky about their practices so the majority of people don't actually know how they work hand-in-hand with the pet/breeding industry. (Btw, before anyone goes and demands I "cite my source"- do your own research- a simple google search of "gabriel foundation" and "grant" will give you information- because as I said, they certainly don't advertise it on their site. While you're at it, search Laurella's name and her dispicable organization- NAIA. I get physically ill reading their agenda.) They disgust me and it would not surprise me one bit to know they "rescued" birds only to hand them over to breeders.
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| Tony |
| | 07/16/08 at 09:57 AM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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Maybe I am using the wrong keywords but I couldn't find anything right away. Perhaps with some digging - I am sure that stuff buried somewhere. Don't they have to list grants awarded on their 990?
Looks like a case of "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"?
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| Missi |
| | 07/16/08 at 10:06 AM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tony
Looks like a case of "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"?
Isnt that the truth!!! |
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| a pet is not a prisoner |
| | 07/16/08 at 11:34 AM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Anon7
Tony, you are SO right!! Laurella is a breeder and fully supports the breeding industry 100%. She also views animals as property and is against any kind of legislation that may benefit the animals. She is the worst of the worst, but luckily no one really pays attention to her anyway and people know better now.
As for the Gabriel Foundation, they actually give out grants to "responsible" breeders. It's quite disgusting. They get so much attention and praise but people have no idea that they are actually part of the problem. They are a business- a big business and in the worst possible way because they are sneaky about their practices so the majority of people don't actually know how they work hand-in-hand with the pet/breeding industry. (Btw, before anyone goes and demands I "cite my source"- do your own research- a simple google search of "gabriel foundation" and "grant" will give you information- because as I said, they certainly don't advertise it on their site. While you're at it, search Laurella's name and her dispicable organization- NAIA. I get physically ill reading their agenda.) They disgust me and it would not surprise me one bit to know they "rescued" birds only to hand them over to breeders.
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| Laurella Desborough |
| | 07/16/08 at 12:36 PM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy."
I like that quote because it states the truth.
I see so little of the truth on this forum in regards to the AFA, the Gabriel Foundation, or any other reasonable and respected entity working with birds, and coincidently, I see very little interest in the WELFARE of those macaws...
The AFA does NOT take poached birds from authorities...that is a laugh. USDA and US Customs confiscate illegal birds and place them into quarantine and then auction them off or DONATE THEM TO AN AR RESCUE FACILITY! That happened recently in LA with domestic raised mutation Ringnecks from Australia....
So, folks, you can spin all the lies and mistruths you want, but THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE and those who are on this list and have any common sense can surely recognize that all this hysteria and hate mongering is NOT about the welfare of these birds...but about enjoying the expression of hate.
That is one of the facets of the animal rights folks that is so fascinating...WHY DO THEY HATE? Did their mothers wean them off the breast too early? (That is the sort of thing they like to accuse bird breeders of...forced weaning.) Did their fathers abandon them when they were youngsters? Did their relatives abuse them? In other words, what is the basic cause of this eruption of hate?
It surely is not normal.
Normal people ask WHAT can we do to help these birds?
Hateful people ask HOW can we punish those abusers?
(They don't even want to know IF the abuse is real, they just assume it is.)
If they were REALLY concerned about the welfare of these macaws, they would be behaving in a very different manner. They would be pleased that the birds are going to a RELIABLE RESPECTED sanctuary, not some "birdie warehouse" with cages stacked in an indoor facility, without good ventilation, without any notion of separating the species or any understanding of quarantining new entries, thus, all of the above predisposing the birds to DISEASES.
This has been the case with more than one sanctuary...a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Sanctuary wannabees can do a lot of harm to birds...because they have NO background or experience in the care and handling of avian species....and often cannot even identify the species! And, they don't even believe they NEED to know anything...which is amazing.
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| Tony |
| | 07/16/08 at 01:36 PM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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Leave it to Laurella to want you to believe that the only people doing anything good for birds and can properly take care of them happen to be those in the pet trade. They want all "AR" rescuers to disappear so no one can speak out against them and their practices. In order to acieve that, they're going to discredit those rescuers as much as possible - despite truth or facts. |
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| Fred S |
| | 07/16/08 at 07:05 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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Laurella, have you personally visited TGF facilities? Have you personally visited CVPS? |
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| Laurella Desborough |
| | 07/17/08 at 03:34 PM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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I have not personally visited TGF facilities...but I know they are MAP certified.
You cannot be MAP certified without meeting a lot of very serious criteria for the appropriate care for avian species...including veterinary care, proper diet and proper housing, as well as detailed record keeping.
The two outfits that certify sanctuaries are certifying POLICIES, not actual care procedures (housing, diet, vetting, record keeping) for animal or bird species. That is a very different type of certification since it focuses on administrative policies, not on animal care practices.
I have not visited the CVPS but I have heard reliable reports from those who have.. I won't report what they have said here, since that is "heresay."
I do know that the CVPS is not MAP certified.
I do know that the manager is a young person with very little bird experience.
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| Lily Evans |
| | 07/17/08 at 05:00 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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Taken from MAP website;
An Overview of MAP
The Model Aviculture Program was designed by aviculturist and avian veterinarians to improve avicultural practices through setting basic standards for avian husbandry. Applicants select a veterinarian to do the inspection and inform MAP. The veterinarian is sent the official NCR inspection form and preforms the inspection when the applicant sets up the appointment. MAP certification is provided for the individuals who meet MAP standards.
SO I SAY:
BY DEFINITION SANCTUARIES ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF AVICULTURE, OR ANIMAL HUSBANDRY WHY WOULD THEY SEEK MAP CERTIFICATION?
Therefore the idea that a sanctuary be MAP certified is a canard. |
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| Fred S |
| | 07/17/08 at 05:10 PM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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Well Laurella since you have not personally visited either facility, then you are an authority on neither. As the saying goes "If you haven't seen it with your eyes, don't witness it with your mouth". |
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| Anon7 |
| | 07/24/08 at 10:37 PM | Reply with quote | #15 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Evans
Taken from MAP website;
An Overview of MAP
The Model Aviculture Program was designed by aviculturist and avian veterinarians to improve avicultural practices through setting basic standards for avian husbandry. Applicants select a veterinarian to do the inspection and inform MAP. The veterinarian is sent the official NCR inspection form and preforms the inspection when the applicant sets up the appointment. MAP certification is provided for the individuals who meet MAP standards.
SO I SAY:
BY DEFINITION SANCTUARIES ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF AVICULTURE, OR ANIMAL HUSBANDRY WHY WOULD THEY SEEK MAP CERTIFICATION?
BINGO!! Thank you, Lily. Laurella, you are trying to distract from the fact that you are a huge contributor to the problem of birds being in captivity, abused, and overwhelming sanctuaries. YOU are part of the PROBLEM, so our hate is directed at YOU. YOU are a breeder. YOU are a member of the AFA. YOU despise animal rights. YOU contribute to the problem so in order to look out for the overall welfare of not just these macaws, but all captive birds, WE need to bring down the source of the problem- breeders and the pet industry- which is what YOU are. We can't save every bird and we know that, but we also know that the way to fight the larger war, is to bring people like you down and expose your misrepresentations. So don't give us the B.S. song and dance about "if we really cared about the birds, we would..." YOU have no business saying a damn thing about avian welfare or rights or what WE care about.
Therefore the idea that a sanctuary be MAP certified is a canard. |
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