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anjee
    01/11/08 at 03:52 PMReply with quote#1

Do you think cats should be kept inside so they don't hurt/kill birds? 

My young cat likes to play inside and outside.  She is spayed.  She NEVER leaves my yard.  I live in a small town.

I also have a few chickens for pets.  I know they can't hatch chicks with cats around because the cats would kill the chicks.  That's not a problem for me because I don't want more chickens, so I collect the eggs before they hatch. The few chickens I have couldn't hatch chicks anyway (even if I kept my young cat inside all the time), due to the many stray cats that enter my yard.

Zazo
    01/11/08 at 05:33 PMReply with quote#2

It's a tough question.....since a cat's natural instinct is to pounce on a bird.  But wild birds will fly away.....I would not leave a cat enclosed in an area with birds or chickens that can not escape.

jodi
    01/11/08 at 07:30 PMReply with quote#3

yes please keep your cats in doors, cats along with toxins, invasive species, habitat loss are devastating out wild bird population.
i've watched 100's of birds, baby squirrels, baby bunnies, baby seagulls die a slow painful death from cats.
it's a terrible thing to watch an animal die because a human could not be responsible for there pet.
cats are an invasive species
http://www.njaudubon.org/Conservation/CatsIndoors/

http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/

cats hunt for fun not for food, anything that moves they will catch, torture, mutilate and probably won't eat or kill it, they will leave it to suffer, if you find it, you will bring to some nice wildlife rehabilitator who will anguish over trying to save it's little life. and will you dare bring them the next victim??? or will you leave it to nature, even though there was nothing natural about it's demise???  they only become better hunters. buy them toys to play with instead of our beautiful wildlife



anjee
    01/12/08 at 12:08 PMReply with quote#4

Thanks for repliess to my post. 

Cats are very important in the South to control rodents like rats.  You may feel sympathy for rats, but I do not.  I think rats are an invasive species too.  Rats also kill birds.  I have to consider this factor as well as the ones your posts mentioned.

As to chickens being hunted by cats:  an adult rooster can "take on" a cat.  Dogs are a problem in that regard:  two dogs got into my yard last year and killed one of my roosters.  The rooster was defending a hen who was on a nest.  The hen is still OK to this day. 

I reported to the police that the dogs had killed my rooster.  The cops failed to do their job, as usual.  The local cops did not call the dog pound.  One of them placed one of the dogs in the yard next to mine.  I called the cops on other occasions when I saw the dogs roaming the area.  They failed to call the dog pound every time.  Police corruption is rampant. 

Again, thank you for replies to my post.

Luisa
    01/12/08 at 02:36 PMReply with quote#5

Wow  I feel some cat hating around here.  I have an indoor cat, but If your cat is an outdoor cat, then it wouldn't be fair to keep him indoors suddenly. We need all our animals to make a happy planet.  Eliminating one just messes with the balance of life.

jodi
    01/12/08 at 06:50 PMReply with quote#6

don't love rats unless they are pets, but i don't hate them either, 
 i certainly wouldn't want them in my house.
they live down by the water here in this ocean town, but i don't hardly ever see them, they certainly don't impact my life in any way

Lily
    01/14/08 at 11:13 AMReply with quote#7

Quote:
Originally Posted by anjee

Do you think cats should be kept inside so they don't hurt/kill birds? 

My young cat likes to play inside and outside.  She is spayed.  She NEVER leaves my yard.  I live in a small town.

I also have a few chickens for pets.  I know they can't hatch chicks with cats around because the cats would kill the chicks.  That's not a problem for me because I don't want more chickens, so I collect the eggs before they hatch. The few chickens I have couldn't hatch chicks anyway (even if I kept my young cat inside all the time), due to the many stray cats that enter my yard.

Most birds feed first thing in the morning, that's just what they do. Young cats love to investigate their surroundings, it is very good for their instincts and sense of freedom.
Having a cat myself and having had rescued a few pigeons in my apartment, I could never allow the cat to hurt the birds, but  I think that allowing your cat to walk around the yard after the wild birds have had "breakfast" is a nice agreement for all parties.
 
Dawn
    02/23/08 at 08:32 PMReply with quote#8

Jodi--do not believe the myth that the bird population is being depleted because of cats.  It's a HUGE lie.
The birds are being depleted due to hundreds of reasons....and cats are on the bottom of the list.   Lawn and pond chemicals, pesticide spraying from the sky (it's done twice a y ear in florida), loss of habitat, construction, windows...and raccoons are killing off birds.  I've seen a hawk eat a live pigeon ....birds eat birds....and many critters steal the eggs.
 Please leave the cats out of it....

Quote:
Originally Posted by jodi
yes please keep your cats in doors, cats along with toxins, invasive species, habitat loss are devastating out wild bird population.
i've watched 100's of birds, baby squirrels, baby bunnies, baby seagulls die a slow painful death from cats.
it's a terrible thing to watch an animal die because a human could not be responsible for there pet.
cats are an invasive species
http://www.njaudubon.org/Conservation/CatsIndoors/

http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/

cats hunt for fun not for food, anything that moves they will catch, torture, mutilate and probably won't eat or kill it, they will leave it to suffer, if you find it, you will bring to some nice wildlife rehabilitator who will anguish over trying to save it's little life. and will you dare bring them the next victim??? or will you leave it to nature, even though there was nothing natural about it's demise???  they only become better hunters. buy them toys to play with instead of our beautiful wildlife




jodi
    02/24/08 at 11:13 PMReply with quote#9

it's not a myth, it's a fact, hawks belong in this enviroment, cats don't.
talk to any avian wildlife rehabilitator and they will fill you in
Catherinedana
    02/25/08 at 09:28 AMReply with quote#10

Tell the "myth" about outdoor cats to all the dead doves and bluejays I find in my yard.  The birds hardly come to my feeder anymore because I have neighbors that don't keep their cats indoors.  Plus my driveway and yard always smell of cat urine.  Gross.

Angie
    02/25/08 at 09:40 AMReply with quote#11

Quote:
Originally Posted by jodi
it's not a myth, it's a fact, hawks belong in this enviroment, cats don't.
talk to any avian wildlife rehabilitator and they will fill you in
A cat is a distant relative of the cougar and other wild animals.  Cats still have a wild streak inspite of their many years of domestication.  And they do belong outside, but people chose to "use" them as "pets". 
jodi
    02/25/08 at 05:30 PMReply with quote#12

Quote:
Originally Posted by Angie
Quote:
Originally Posted by jodi
it's not a myth, it's a fact, hawks belong in this enviroment, cats don't.
talk to any avian wildlife rehabilitator and they will fill you in
A cat is a distant relative of the cougar and other wild animals.  Cats still have a wild streak inspite of their many years of domestication.  And they do belong outside, but people chose to "use" them as "pets". 

ya, outside in egypt, they are not native to this country, why don't you guys get that??? why don't you get that they are not hunting to eat and survive like our native predators??? why would you think it's okay that these "pets" are being allowed to help decimate our songbird population??? why why why... why don't you understand that baby birds are on the ground hiding under bushes unable to fly for the first week or so out of the nest all spring and summer??? and what about all the precotial birds that nest on the ground, like ducks, geese, turkey, terns, gulls??? never mind, the baby bunnies, baby squirrels, baby opossums, baby skunks and other baby mammals. how can you be so heartless and uncaring for the natural world??? never mind all the cats that are killed by coyotes and fisher cats here in the northeast, getting hit by cars, being exposed to infectious disease.
i just don't get it!!! is it because you have not educated yourself on our wildlife, or it it you just don't care, i don't understand.
please go volunteer with a wildlife rehabilitation center for one spring, and watch animal after animal coming in dying because of cats, just because they don't belong to someone doesn't mean they don't have the right to survive
anjee
    02/26/08 at 01:54 PMReply with quote#13

I noticed "baby opossums, baby skunks" on jodi's list of cat victims.  Both opossums and skunks eat birds and their eggs.  Here in the south, you would run if you saw how big those predators get.  You would be shocked.  I notice that jodi neglected to list baby RATS.  I would be interested in a study of the benefits vs damage to birds caused by cats.  The benefits would come in the form of controlling the rat population.  Rats eat birds and their eggs.

The greatest threat to the wild bird population is the out-of-control human population;  the population bomb; too many people.  I don't know anyone who is intelligent who disputes that fact. 
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http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/378418139

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Please see the above petiton, and other petitions at http://www.thepetitionsite.com for illustrations of the continuing damage caused by human overpopulation.
jodi
    02/26/08 at 05:25 PMReply with quote#14

again, opossums and skunks are native to this country and they are doing it to survive, they belong here, this is thier country, i'm sure they get some rats also, i do understand where farmers would need them to help keep a rodent problem in check, but if the humans made sure rodents couldn't get to a food source the rats (which by the way is yet. another invasive species that humans brought here) would  control their own population,as would mice, gulls, all animals that depend on humans for the garbage we supply
. i'm not arguing that, what upsets me is the average family that thinks it's okay to let the cat out wandering around killing everything it can, not to survive but for entertainment, they don't need live flesh to survive, in fact they can catch many diseases and parasites from the things they kill and ingest, and some of them can be passed on to you, or to unborn babies.
what upsets me is seeing the missing cat posters all over my town, and i know someone is crushed and heartbroken, and who knows what kind of torture and trauma the cat went thru because they thought it was okay to let the cat wander the neighborhood.
what upsets me is that they want to kill and inhumanly trap  coyotes, who are finally doing pretty good, because peoples cat are getting killed
what upsets me and thousands of wildlife rehabbers, is the torture and heartbreak never mind the expenses we go thru trying to save these poor victims from what a human allowed their pet to do
cats, habitat loss, poisons, invasive species are all humans fault. yes human population is a problem, but it's a very difficult one to change.
it's not the cats fault, it's doing what it does naturally, it's the humans fault.
keeping your cat inside safe and sound is a no brainer to me, and it will help sooo much, it's a very simple and humane fix
slugbird
    07/02/09 at 09:01 PMReply with quote#15

But what about the poor worm population kept down by birds?
and anyways, dogs are worse about killing animals for fun?
and anyone who thinks its good to kill cats so birds can live, is a freak.
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