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luciedove
    11/12/07 at 08:53 AMReply with quote#1

http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-birds1112,0,1249610.story

amNY.com

Fines for feeding pigeons?

By Ryan Chatelain, amNewYork Associate Editor

ryan.chatelain@am-ny.com

November 12, 2007

NEW YORK

Lean times for the city's iconic bird could be ahead as a city councilman is looking to fine New Yorkers for feeding pigeons their moldy slices of bread or other scraps. Councilman Simcha Felder, (D-Brooklyn), will announce a bill today that would make it illegal to feed pigeons and that would create a "pigeon czar" to be held accountable for all the city's pigeon-related complaints. The amount of the proposed fine won't be known until after Felder consults with the city's lawyers.

"The people of New York are sick and tired of dodging pigeons and their droppings as they walk around the city," Felder said in a news release. "The sidewalks, parks, streets and bridges for our city are littered with evidence that something needs to be done."

Felder, who represents the Brooklyn neighborhoods of Ditmas Park, Borough Park, Midwood, Bensonhurst and Kensington, began crafting the legislation after receiving complaints that the elevated D and F train stations in his district were bombarded with pigeon droppings, said Felder¹s spokesman, Eric Kuo. After calling around, Felder found that no agency was responsible for resolving pigeon-related matters, Kuo added.

Felder's bill also calls for a baseline budget commitment for street trash cans -- keeping litter away from the birds -- and reintroducing hawks and falcons to the city¹s ecosystem to serve as a natural deterrent for pigeons.

Also, Felder wants the city to explore the possibility of feeding birth control to pigeons and adding robotic hawks, which would cost about $4,000 apiece and have been successful in reducing the number of pigeons in Liverpool, England, Kuo said.

Earlier this month, Councilman James Oddo, (R-Staten Island), proposed feeding birth control to pigeons at the St. George terminal of the Staten Island Ferry system, taking a page from a program implemented in Los Angeles.

Laura Brown, animal care specialist for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals said she would have to further examine the aspect of attracting more live hawks and falcons to the city, but she applauded the rest of Felder's plan.

"With the calls that we get about just hideous cruelty on wildlife, especially pigeons, we always like to see people taking these humane approaches, these humane deterrents and getting people to be responsible for the problem, too," Brown said.

Brown added that PETA also encourages people not to feed pigeons because it attracts the birds to places where they are more likely to be poisoned or shot. If pigeons are not fed, they will congregate elsewhere where they can find food, Brown said.

New Yorkers yesterday largely agreed that pigeons didn¹t bother them.

"I don¹t really notice the quantity, so I don¹t really see a need to fix anything," said Steve Dube, 28, of Manhattan. "I was in London last week and it¹s much worse there."

"I think there¹s a bigger problem with rats," said Georgia Melrose, 24, of Brooklyn. "Maybe something to cap off the pigeon population would be OK."

(with Kristen V Brown) AM New York

Mary Beyerbach Ephraim
    11/12/07 at 03:38 PMReply with quote#2

Maybe this councilmen needs to be educated in the fact that pigeons received Medals of Honor from The United States of America for their missions in World War 1 and 2. Has this cold hearted human nothing better to offer his district than starving and killing these gentle smart creatures!!?
Mel
    11/12/07 at 04:36 PMReply with quote#3

I would also bet that he would be one of the firt to pass legislature to ban pigean coops also.

Rifkah
    11/12/07 at 05:47 PMReply with quote#4

The Jewish community supports the Quaker monk parakeets, and together they stopped Con Edison from removing their nests so you cannot say that the Councilman is an anti-bird person; perhaps he is concerned about garbage and erroneously believes that the feed is responsible.  He probably does not realize it is all eaten up in several minutes by pigeons that are starving for food.  If Councilman Felder will investigate he will find that it is people who create garbage and not pigeons.  But if the Bill passes I will be feeding other birds instead, since bird feeding is a pasttime that I enjoy.

Claudie
    11/12/07 at 05:51 PMReply with quote#5

What a stupid waste of legislative time and effort, funded by your tax dollars. This link:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/epi/epi-pigeon.shtml

from the New York City Dept. of Health writes that the chance of humans contracting a pigeon-related disease is quite low.

Here is the webpage for this councilman:

http://www.nyccouncil.info/constituent/member_details.cfm?Con_ID=71

and here is his email address: felder@council.nyc.ny.us

for anyone interested in emailing him. If you do so, I recommend sounding very polite, professional, and calm to get the best results. I think, people writing angrily and emotionally to him may get written off as "nut jobs" and not taken seriously. If you can find people in his district to oppose him on this, that would have the most clout, since he wants his constituents to continue to vote for him.

Hope this helps!

Best,
Claudie (The Hamster Whisperer:-))

here we go again
    11/12/07 at 05:59 PMReply with quote#6

Pls see this currently on NY Times.com  They're taking comments at the end.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/proposal-to-control-pigeons-fine-the-hands-that-feed-them/index.html?hp


Rumors about an avian serial killer on the loose in Brooklyn raise an age-old question: How to get rid of pesky pigeons? Well, one can kill them (not advisable on grounds of ethics or taste), starve them (well, not really starve them, but stop feeding them) or scare them away. At least those are the methods that most have tried in the past.

Today, City Councilman Simcha Felder, Democrat of Brooklyn, today put out a detailed report [pdf] proposing legislation and other recommendations to curb the city’s pigeon population. The report contains some rather, er, new approaches to the bird problem.

New York City is both a good and bad environment for pigeons, as an Agriculture Department handbook [pdf] explains. Urban life reduces the average life span of a pigeon from 15 years to between 2 and 3. (Could it be the stress?) But urban birds also reproduce more prodigiously — four to six times a year, compared with twice a year in the wild — given the abundance of food and shelter and the relative lack of predators. Hence, New York’s pigeon proliferation.

There are many ways to kill pigeons. Shooting them, as the Agriculture Department handbook notes wisely, is probably a bad idea in New York City. Pigeon poisons have often failed in the long run, as the first birds to die were the weak and the old ones, leaving more room for their fertile brethren to reproduce.

Instead, Mr. Felder’s report advocates a birth control strategy — one that Councilman James S. Oddo, Republican of Staten Island, also recently recommended: birth control through a pesticide, OvoControl P, that recently received approval from the Environmental Protection Agency and has been used in several cities to control pigeon population.

But Mr. Felder’s top recommendation is directed not so much at the birds as the humans. He wants to introduce fines, in an effort to turn public opinion against the pigeons and the people who feed them. (One such strategy was attempted in Basel, Switzerland.) One could say that Mr. Felder’s proposal would have New Yorkers rat on their neighbors.

Asked about fines for those who feed pigeons, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg expressed skepticism today, but agreed that feeding pigeons should be discouraged:

I think that while I love animals and I love birds we do have a lot of pigeons and they do tend to foul a lot of our areas and people would be better off not feeding the pigeons. Those that are here will find food and they just won’t grow at such a rapid rate and we’d probably be better off.

Another proposal is to anoint a city “pigeon czar” who would consolidate responsibility of the feral birds. Right now, oversight of the pigeon population in New York City falls in the purview of several different state and city agencies that oversee public health, transportation and the environment. The report states, “The Pigeon Czar would address the big-picture obstacles that face urban pigeon control, while working with other city, state and federal agencies in New York City to ensure that all appropriate and necessary site-specific methods of exclusion are introduced systematically and effectively.”

City Room observes that consolidating responsibilities under a central czar has been a trend in recent yearswith mixed success. A pigeon czar, one hopes, would not just add another level of bureaucracy.

Diane Cardwell contributed reporting.

Anntelope
    11/12/07 at 06:01 PMReply with quote#7

Excuse me but what does the Jewish community's love of parrots have to do with Councilman Felder's cruel and disgusting posture regarding pigeons?  What a great answer too - let's starve them and let's pick the beginning of Winter to do so.
I for one am getting sick of those people who hate pigeons and use them as scapegoats for everything.  I have a drunken neighbor who vomits, urinates and spits everyplace and never notices all the screaming and bottles being crashed and the fire engines and the ambulances but let a mourning dove flutter near her window and it disturbs her. 

I don't think I would know another happy day if I couldn't feed the pigeons but would have to watch them out there starving. 

What a horrid world.  People are not good sometimes.  And what's the deal with Peta?  They can't do better than this for the pigeons?

B.P.
    11/12/07 at 06:04 PMReply with quote#8

This over-stuffed jackass, Felder, is the one that said that, if the City Council passed a bill banning foie gras in NYC, he would make a point of bringing chopped liver to work at the council every day. The idea of a "pigeon czar" is moronic and ain't gonna happen, though it is possible that Quinn, a notoriously anti-animal type, might allow a ban on pigeon feeding to pass.

Michael Berenzweig
    11/12/07 at 06:18 PMReply with quote#9

Can the people who have posted on this site, please indicate whether they are Vegetarian ( VEGAN ). Thank you, MLB
MJNYC
    11/12/07 at 07:06 PMReply with quote#10

I am just beside myself over this; I cannot believe the lunacy!

This is what I wrote to Felder:


"With all that goes on in this city, you are worrying about pigeon poop that only lasts until the next rain?

I am literally beside myself that you would take the time to even discuss this subject, let alone take the time write a bill about it.

If you are so worried about poop, why don't you help us to ban the carriage horses who are being abused /every/ day and poop on the city streets.

In addition, there are a lot of old ladies who go to the Central Park and their joy of the day is to feed the birds, pigeons too. You would take that away from them?

Honestly, if you have this kind of time on your hands, you are not doing your job.

"Until he extends his circle of compassion to all living things, man himself will not find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer 1875 - 1965"

I have also written to my Council Member and told her what I think. I hope you all do the same.

 

MJNYC
    11/12/07 at 07:23 PMReply with quote#11

There was a poll on amny, does anyone have the link?

Thanks.

MJ

evie
    11/12/07 at 09:22 PMReply with quote#12

Feeding birds in NYC has been against the law for YEARS.  Where have you guys been?  In NYC, if you are seen feeding birds, you get a $100.00 fine.  It was even a big news story a few years ago, when a man got a fine on his 95th birthday!  I was born and raised here, in Manhattan, and I am 51.  It's been against the law for YEARS. 

MJNYC
    11/12/07 at 09:50 PMReply with quote#13

If anyone wants to vote in the amny poll here is the link:  http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-pigeon-poll,0,1638509.poll
Joanna Tierno
    11/12/07 at 10:33 PMReply with quote#14

 
 
 
What Felder is proposing is Killing lots of innocent animals by starvation and birds of prey.  I am horrified that someone with so little empathy is in government.  Lack of empathy is known to be found in people who are capable of horrible things.  How people treat animals and anyone helpless is considered by many a direct measure of their empathy.  Personally Felder scares me and I think we should question the amount of power we have granted him.   I know the premise here is that people are better than animals- but just because some of us think we are better does that mean we should just go and kill all the inferiors?   
Maybe all people and animals are just here, sharing the same planet, and maybe we are all deserving of the right to live.  I think if some of us are intelligent and decent,  we should want to die having left the planet a better place.  This does not including killing everyone or every animal we can and does include sharing our planet, with other creatures and people.   This situation calls for people who care to write in and express yourself.  Some of the most horrible events in history were made possible not only because of an evil mastermind, but because the masses follow and never object.   I'm proud the worst our SI reps are proposing is birth control.  At least they don't want to murder pigeons, which by the way are symbols of spirit and hope.  Their presence is a very welcome one by many and hopefully all those who care will take a moment of your time to do some good in sticking up for birds that cannot speak for themselves.
Joanna Tierno
 
Destiny
    11/13/07 at 02:11 AMReply with quote#15

NEWS FLASH:  they already fine people for feeding birds!  you get a $100.00 fine for feeding birds.  where ya been???

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