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Concetta
    07/29/07 at 05:35 AMReply with quote#1

Hi everyone, I would like to put in a plug to go veggie, or at least start cutting down on consumption of animal products. Birds and other animals that we eat must endure horrible conditions in our current factory farm setup. Chickens are debeaked without anesthesia and crammed into small cages where they can't even move. Egg layers are subjected to light 23 hours a day in some factories so they produce more. And the so-called "free range" chicken and eggs that paint such a pretty picture just means that the chickens are not in the cages but piled high on top of each other in barns and treated badly. Let's protect ALL our feathered friends. I read this recently in an excellent e newsletter called Dawn Watch. Thanks for reading!!

Dawnwatch:
Equally sickening, but not so widely covered, is an undercover investigation done by Mercy for Animals at the House of Raeford Farms poultry plant. Cleveland Ohio's Fox affiliate did cover it last night, Wednesday July 25, airing shocking footage. Their I-team shared video of employees forcefully shoving their hands into the cloacae (vaginal cavities) of live chickens, and we saw turkeys and chickens being thrown across the facility and up into the air. One worker did his boxing punching bag practice on the turkeys moving past him on their way to slaughter.

I was concerned by the opening of the piece when the anchor asked "Is this abuse real or has it been staged by animal rights activists?" But we learn during the piece that the set-up is because "In a statement released to the I-team, the House of Raeford called the hidden camera DVD a staged video in which some of the footage is looped to make the abuse look more offensive."

Raeburn complained about two particularly horrifying segments. Fox tells us,

"But an I-team review of the raw footage found neither section of the video looped as the company complains. The edits simply eliminated gaps in time. In fact more turkeys were punched and more hens were penetrated on the raw tape than on the edited DVD."

And while Raeburn suggested the amateur boxer had been encouraged by activists, the I-team says, "But the raw footage shows the worker standing alone throwing punches at passing turkeys."

Warning -- its hard to watch.

But as delightful PETA activist Nicole Matthews says on the new reality series, The Two Coreys, which premieres this Sunday night, "The animals go through so much, the least we can do is bear witness to what they have to endure." (More on that below.)

Thanks to the Internet, activists all over the country and world can see Fox Cleveland I-teams animal abuse coverage. Please let the station know its appreciated! Watch the story at http://tinyurl.com/yw33al and take just a moment to send notes of thanks to http://www.myfoxcleveland.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/ContactUs?pageId=5.11.
Positive feedback will encourage follow-ups.

You can learn more about the investigation at http://www.MercyForAnimals.org/HOR

Which brings us to the undercover poultry slaughter video airing on The Two Coreys, which premieres this Sunday night, July 29 at 10pm on A&E. Learn more about that new reality show at
http://www.aetv.com/the-two-coreys/
If you click on "Exclusive Video" you can watch a fun preview in which you see Corey Feldman's wife, Susie, wearing a "Fur is Dead" t-shirt.
On the video page, "Cold Turkey" brings up the little clip of Nicole Matthews, mentioned above. Nicole has warned me that five hours of dialogue has been edited down to nine minutes of air-time, so I fear it is possible that the editors could have cut this warm and fun young woman to fit the media's mold of the strident animal rights activist. But it looks, instead, like the show is going to give animal rights activism a fair shake. Fingers crossed.
Check it out, and please light up those community message boards to show lots of interest, and send your comments to http://www.aetv.com/global/feedback/contact.jsp?site=AETV.com&NetwCode=AEN (Choose "program comments" from the pull-down menu.") It looks like a big thank-you is in order at least for the airing of the poultry slaughterhouse footage.

Yours and the animals',
Karen Dawn
millie the vegan
    07/29/07 at 06:52 AMReply with quote#2

Chickens aren't even protected by the animal welfare laws applied to other farm animals! No wonder they are perhaps the most abused species on the planet.

I agree, it's high time people started making changes to their lifestyle to be more animal-friendly. I turned vegan some time ago and while I understand that it's difficult for diehard carnivores to give up meat I think it's worth cutting down on it. Better health, better for the environment and definitely better for the animals.

Great post!

sunswirlgirl
    08/16/07 at 02:04 PMReply with quote#3

thanks for this posting.  i went vegan in january for the new year after i found out what happens to the animals.  please visit http://www.chooseveg.com for more great info on going veg!

Bluwind Acres
    10/02/07 at 04:35 PMReply with quote#4

It is because of the cruel and impropper treatment of the bird in the big factories that i raise my own! they get 2 acres+of free range to be chickens. then when the day comes they get a simple pistol shot to the head. no stress  and Ive never had one need more than just one shot. all my chickens are tame and well cared for. All my laying hens also are free range. they all also get to keep one chick a year. I limit the eggs they sit on so I dont get too many or more than I can handle. they also get all the horse poop they could ever want to scratch around in.  in the last two years ive lost only one hen and a rooster. then hen was 5 years old and died of natural causes and the rooster wandered off or was picked off by a preditor over the winter.

I like my meat but I bielieve they deserve to have a good life no matter what they are destined for.
Annie
    10/03/07 at 11:26 AMReply with quote#5

Yes, the way they are killed and made to suffer is what makes it uncivilized, more than the actual eating of the meat.  When animals kill, they do it very quick and most of the time they try not to let their prey suffer.  After seeing the way chickens are kept in filth and darkness and never see the light of day or eat a blade of grass, you cannot wonder if the chicken is even healthy or may be diseased.  They also force the chickens to eat hormones and makes you realize this may be giving us cancer of our reproductive organs. 

Banyon
    01/23/08 at 01:29 PMReply with quote#6

Please. Discussions like this are absolutely amazing to me. Do any of you wear any shred of leather, perhaps shoes? If you do, don't you think you're being a bit hypocritical with this thread?

All this talk about chickens not having any room in cages. What a load of garbage. Free-range the answer? Sure, if you don't mind the potential diseases in which chickens can contract via this practice.

Consider the following: "We realize there's a small, niche market for free-range chickens but believe there's a downside to raising birds outside," said Gary Mickelson, a spokesman for Springdale, Ark.-based poultry giant Tyson Foods Inc. "As free-range poultry producers in other parts of the world are finding out, their birds are much more susceptible to avian influenza."

And do any of you realize that if egg producers were forced to go free-range, COUNTLESS producers would be out of business? The egg industry would be nearly destroyed. What's more important, the livelihood of human beings or a chicken?

So say this happened. If businesses were required to go cage-free, the amount of egg production would be extremely limited, meaning the cost of eggs would go up, then you'd be complaining about paying $8 for a dozen eggs.


ClonedBeef
    02/18/08 at 11:52 PMReply with quote#7

This is a reply to the douche above,

I felt compelled compelled to reply to your ignorance(which is charming by the way

People always claim animal rights people are hypocrites with the "shred of leather:" argument, I agree that purchasing a brand new leather jacket would be hypocritical but then you must look at supply and demand.  If someone supporting animal rights wore a leather jacket they bought used that would not be hypocritical because a used clothing shop is in no position to demand, they get what is supplied to them and any one wearing a used leather jacket probably is not buying a new one.

The way we live in this culture and how convenience is thrust upon us like gigantic grapes of wrath does make it difficult to support a culture of at least being personally free of supporting such abusive conditions but accusing someone of being a hypocrite over such trite is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
slugbird
    07/02/09 at 12:58 AMReply with quote#8

I only buy my chicken from organic store and from the fairly small companies that treat their chickens well. and to answer
your question. yes, I do love birds but eat chicken and eggs. and even my birds LOVE chicken and eggs.
Rose
    07/02/09 at 01:13 PMReply with quote#9

Go vegan, folks!

It's not as hard as you think (and even if it weren't so easy, wouldn't it be worth it?).  I've been vegan for three years now and feel better (emotionally and physically) than I ever have.  It's cheaper and healthier, provided you eat a lot of whole foods and not processed stuff. 

Trust me...it's great.  Of course none of us are perfect, but what an easy, tasty way to lessen environmental impact and animal suffering. 
Anon.
    07/02/09 at 01:18 PMReply with quote#10

Quote:
Originally Posted by Banyon
Please. Discussions like this are absolutely amazing to me. Do any of you wear any shred of leather, perhaps shoes? If you do, don't you think you're being a bit hypocritical with this thread?

All this talk about chickens not having any room in cages. What a load of garbage. Free-range the answer? Sure, if you don't mind the potential diseases in which chickens can contract via this practice.

Consider the following: "We realize there's a small, niche market for free-range chickens but believe there's a downside to raising birds outside," said Gary Mickelson, a spokesman for Springdale, Ark.-based poultry giant Tyson Foods Inc. "As free-range poultry producers in other parts of the world are finding out, their birds are much more susceptible to avian influenza."

And do any of you realize that if egg producers were forced to go free-range, COUNTLESS producers would be out of business? The egg industry would be nearly destroyed. What's more important, the livelihood of human beings or a chicken?

So say this happened. If businesses were required to go cage-free, the amount of egg production would be extremely limited, meaning the cost of eggs would go up, then you'd be complaining about paying $8 for a dozen eggs.



I don't really care much about the livelihood of human beings who make their profit at the expense of another living creature's basic right to a decent existence. 

I'm sure many others feel the same way.
B. George
    07/11/09 at 05:11 PMReply with quote#11

My parrot has a thing for eating chicken and eggs. Should I be concerned?

Karen
    07/12/09 at 12:25 PMReply with quote#12

Chicken and chicken bones, beef, beef bones and eggs are all an excellent source of food for your birds. The marrow in the bones is wonderful for them, and unlike dogs they do not swallow the bones. It's like giving them wood to chew on. With the eggs, you can hard boil them and cut them in half and let them have the shell for calcium. You can scramble the eggs with the shell adding broccoli or other veggies. The birds love it and it is great for them.
 
Cheryl
    07/13/09 at 07:59 AMReply with quote#13

Yes they can. Cooked chicken and eggs is often given to parrots. Some given cooked chicken bones as they like the marrow, but there is controversy on doing that.

Anna
    10/31/09 at 05:09 PMReply with quote#14

A. I copied this from United Poultry Concerns website

No Federal "Humane Slaughter of Poultry" Law in the United States or Canada
To date, there are no federal welfare laws governing the raising, transport, or slaughter of poultry in the United States or Canada. Exclusion of birds from the United States Humane Methods of Slaughter Act means that 98% of animals being slaughtered for food in this country have no legal coverage at all. It is inexcusable that the majority of nonhuman animals slaughtered for human consumption in the U.S. are denied this most basic welfare extension and that the U.S. government and poultry industry have no ethical accountability whatever regarding their treatment of the billions of birds they kill.

The effort to extend humane slaughter coverage should not be regarded as a sanction for slaughter or a salve for conscience. Rather, the absence of a law conveys the false notion to the general public, and to those who work directly with poultry, that these birds do not suffer, or that their suffering does not matter, and that humans have no moral obligation to them even to the nominal extent granted to cattle, sheep, and pigs.

ANNA BLANCO
    10/31/09 at 06:00 PMReply with quote#15

I would be careful about giving birds chicken bones and beef bones; I think chicken and cooked eggs would be alright; I would think the chicken bone marrow and beef bone marrow would be alright if you were to take the marrow from the bones; to give a parrot chicken bones imo is extremely risky in terms of "bone splinters being caught in the bird's esophagus;

Giraffes eat bones; but they do not open the bones; they eat small bones for calcium they find from prey;

Bones are very risky no matter what way u look at it;
cooked eggs are highly nutritious; esp. the yolk;
I understand chickens for eggs live up to 2 or 3 years but chickens for "consumption: live only 2 to 3 mos;

this is the no. 1 reason why I eat eggs; chickens who lay eggs live much longer almost 100 times longer than the chickens raised for human consumption; although I have not eaten poultry in decades; Ana

ps there are local farmers who do raise truly free range hen eggs; in outdoor nests w/natural feed;
 
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